• Charles Kupperman served as deputy national security adviser to former President Donald Trump.
  • At a meeting in 2019, he said, Trump became furious when the subject turned to Ukraine.
  • “He just let loose,” Kupperman told The New York Times.

Former President Donald Trump threw a fit and launched into a rude rant during a meeting in 2019 when the topic of Ukraine came up, a former aide claims, falsely accusing the country of having attempted to defeat him in the 2016 US election.

Speaking to The New York Times Magazine, Charles Kupperman, then deputy national security adviser, accused his former boss of being unable to understand global politics and the importance of Ukraine. For him, Kupperman said, everything was personal.

This became clear during a May 23, 2019 meeting. According to Kupperman, who left the Trump administration five months later, Trump “just let go” when the topic of Ukraine came up.

“They are [expletive] corrupt. They [expletive] tried to fuck me,” Trump said, Kupperman told The Times.

Later that year, Trump was impeached by the House after withholding some $400 million in security aid for Ukraine that had been approved by Congress, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenksyy told a phone call in September that he wanted a “favor” first: that he publicly announce an investigation into the son of his rival, Hunter Biden. He also called for an investigation into the unsubstantiated claim that it was Ukraine – not Russia – that interfered in the 2016 presidential campaign.

“I would like you to find out what happened with this whole situation with Ukraine, they say CrowdStrike … The server, they say Ukraine has it,” Trump told Zelenskyy, referring to a false claim – pushed by his personal lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, and Russian intelligence – that kyiv had sought to help former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign.

In his interview with The Times, Kupperman said it was clear that this — and the fabrication of dirt on the Biden family — was the extent of his interest in Ukraine.

“If he were asked to define ‘balance of power,’ he wouldn’t know what that concept is,” Kupperman said. “He would have no idea of ​​the history of Ukraine and why it is in the headlines today. He would not know that Stalin starved this country. foreign policymaking. But he couldn’t because he had no understanding of history: how these countries and their leaders evolved, what makes these countries tick.”


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